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 Re: Vostok-Europe-Lunokhod-2

I am wondering why this Lithuanian watch with on Russian parts, with only Russian name they trick real Vostok to let gave them up are discussed here?

It is clear that they move tovard clown watches, exploiting "Russian heritage" they have nothing to do with (they always consider us Russians as occupants and always distant themselfs from Russian pigs).

I see no difference between this Lithuanian watch pretend to be Russian and Chinese watch pretend to be Swiss. However for Lithuanian it is acceptable somehow.

Can you imagine discussing on Swiss watch forum Chinese watches?

Re: Vostok-Europe-Lunokhod-2

Originally Posted by Chascomm

Just to be clear (speaking as a moderator): watches made in any ex-Soviet nation are an acceptable subject for discussion on this forum.

Where exactly have you read of representatives of Vostok-Europe referring to Russians as 'occupant' and 'pigs'?

Once again I will repeat what I have said often enough before: Vostok-Europe have never claimed to be 'Russian'. The theme of their designs is 'Soviet inspired' and considering that the watches are made in a former Soviet nation and started as a partnership with Vostok Chistopol, I can't really see what your problem is, apart from the apparent fact that you hate Lithuanians."

Speaking as Russian I disaggree. You need to call it then former Soviet Watch or watch pretends to be russian or something.
As well as Vostok Europe has nothing to do with Russia, your forume name is also misleading. Call it "Russian and Fake
Russian watchews".

However if you check description on the page it is clearly stated - Russian watches (72 Viewing) Forum dedicated to watches "Made in Russia"

And as moderatet you probably should make sure that it is about "Made in Russia" which Vostok Europe clearly not.

In general if I look at Swiss Watch or German Watch I expect Swiss and German watch there. Why this is different for Russian.
Another famous Western double sundards?

This Vostok Europe as well has nothing to do with Soviet - this is new business, ment initially to be distributers but rather deside to dump
real Russian Vostok and just exploit well recognized brand. Effectivelu taking real Vostok marketplace! Now Vostok will be known as another
Clown watch company!

Now you clam that I hate Lithuanians - outrages.Please, explain why did you accuse me of bein rasist?  

I think at first you should be kicked out of moderators, because this is not you personally but this very forum doing such baseless and outrages accuizations.

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  Re: Vostok-Europe-Lunokhod-2

Enough already. Pull your head in, Vassily.

I'm telling you as a moderator that Vostok-Europe is a valid topic for conversation on this forum as is Luch. Do you have a problem with Luch? They're not Russian either.

Call it "famous Western double sundards" or some other racist epithet. I don't care. If you don't like it here, you are free to leave.

Thread closed.

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I see no word of excuse, I see no regrets and I was again accused to be rasist without any reason by little moderator from West Australia, who seems to be in desperate need to exersice his power to compensate something.

So far clearly Russian watch forum is not Russian but rather anti Russian promoting company wich actually pushing real Russian watch from world market selling watches which has nothing to do with Vostok or Russia under brand Vostok Europe. 
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I got notification here it is with my replay: 
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[QUOTE=GinGinD]I am issuing you a temporary ban for numerous rules violations including rule #2 and discussing moderatino in open forum.

Your ban is for one week however the moderating team will be reviewing your posting history to determine whether it should be made permanent. You will be informed of our decision once it's made.

Jeannie
Moderator at Large[/QUOTE]

Well, I do not really care if you ban me or not, you may not bother to inform me.

However, one of moderator openly and publicly accuse me of being racist without any base. As I sad I disagree with dishonest business practice of Vostok-Europe which has nothing to do with rasism. After all Lithuanian same white rase as Russian even slavic.

His accusation was made as moderator, which mean it is Watchuseek accusing me publicly not just some jerk with issues.

I am waitig for your responce on that.

I will keep log of this in my blog.
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I did some research on Chasscomm - turns out he is big fan of Chinese watch (while not to much for Russians). So me keep making parallels between Lithuanian making Russian like watches and Chinese making Swiss like watches to emphasise how inappropriate it is make him angry because of his love for that very Chinese watches...

 How come guy who in Chinese watch get into moderating Russian forum?

May be he should go to Swiss forum and defend there fake Swiss watches made in China? There are a lot of fake in so many ways Swiss watches made in China.

He is clearly angry - his remark that I hate Lithuanian is quite descriptive. He angry and throw labels at me preparing some ground for further action.


He is moderator if he start emotional conversation acting unfair - this of course provoke reaction. I think I have all right to ask why he sad I hate Lithuanians? But this make me violating rule #2 - discussing moderatinon in open forum. Does it mean that he now can act as he pleased calling people names like "racist" etc? I do not care about being banned from this forum. I do not think angry hysterical moderator is appropriate. I do not think he can change subject of forum as he pleased. If this mean I am out - so be it.

As moderator if he disagree with my comments - he may edit it, remove, ban me etc... But does he has right to call me any way he want? I do not think this is up to rules of this forum.
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Here final result:

You have been banned for the following reason:
You are no longer welcome as a member of our forums.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

The "following reason" is actually - "you banned because you banned" and means that there is no reason for this ban. At least they not telling it. Which again means that this is kind not forum which following some set of rules, but rather whatever moderators pleased to. Normal society can not exist without rules, they assign some people to enforce those rules. They suppose to be not involved in any conflicts, but only follow rules. Now when you have instead some jerk in such position, one looser who just desperate to feel some power, he twist this idea to - "I am the rules here". So he get involved himself and use his authority to overpower opponent and call names etc, while he suppose to be 3d party.

This is how it really works

The fact that no any word no any explanation is that this is not ban for some wrong doing. I did nothing wrong, they did and they do not want to talk about that.

So Watchuseek is not Russian friendly forum.Rissian watch subforum actually promoting not Russian watches, but watches pretends to be Russian and this not a good place for people who like Russian watches, not good place for anybody...

And of course they cleaned up discussion like it never happened!
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Conclusion.

The way it works on Watchuseek. If they need to get rid of someone who let say dissagree with dishonest business practice of some watch company, but who does follow rules and participate discussions trying to contribute to watch loving community - first moderator personally attack this member, calling names and acting rude. Once member replay on this attack asking why moderator act unappropriate, they simple ban him for rules violation - discussing moderators and then clean up discussion removing all inappropriate comments and statements moderator did. Members got banned and forums looks clean...

This is schema used for get rid of me - I was disagree with business practice of Vostok Europe and with discussing it in forum as it was clearly stated "for watches made in Russia". And got banned.

Nice work by Watchuseek and good lesson on how really things get done in the West. It is all about appearance - all history got cleaned up, all looks like it need to be seen by outsiders.
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Same happen on bigger scale. Like Start of Cold War was blamed on Russian. They block railroad to Berlin. Why someone may ask? Because they are just soooo bad! Sure they are afterall Russians everybody know how bad they are... However if you check real history it turns out that first West broke agreement to decide future of Germany together with Soviet Union and behind Soviet Union back, excluding it from any discussion or decision, decide to create West Germany.

Soviet industry - plants, factories, everything up to Uralus mountains on area bigger then West Europe was destroyed by Nazy. So to restore just some fraction of that Soviet Union take German plants - industrial equipment, disassemble it and put on train to ship to Russia to restore what Nazy destroyed. Once West declare new state West Germany, they block all those trains with reparation, so Russian get nothing. As West block Russian trains - Russia in replay block Western trains. Western propaganda start crying about those terrible Russians who want West Berlin just to die...

And yes - history books are well cleaned and looks the way they need to be to show how good West is and how bad Russia is.
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Cuban crisis. Again those terrible Russians decide to put nukes on Cuba. Why - just because they are soooooo bad. Well, again it was in replay for American missiles deployed in Turkish covering richest parts of USSR. But Western history books are cleaned. Not too much about that in there...
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